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03/12/2020 at 02:41 • Filed to: yes minister, BBC, classic comedy, covid-19, coronavirus

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Kinja'd!!! Svend > pip bip - choose Corrour
03/12/2020 at 02:51

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I got wound up during the first week after the coronavirus was found in Italy. News papers and people were saying how the Italian government were being draconian with how they were closing o ff towns and not allowing people in or out.

THAT’S WHAT QUARANTINE IS! It’s isolating people to stop the spread of infection.

Don’t come out with it’s draconian, it’s against their civil liberties.

Yes, but if they don’t, that’s not a ruddy good quarantine, is it!?


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03/12/2020 at 03:02

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I suspect ‘Italian Quarantine’ is as successful a concept as ' Courteous Political Discussion'...


Kinja'd!!! Svend > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
03/12/2020 at 03:23

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The thing is no government wants to panic it’s populace or wants to bring in quarantine measures unduly but then again if they’d been brought in sooner.


Kinja'd!!! Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > Svend
03/12/2020 at 04:56

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Really interesting article on that, with some horrifying math, here:  https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca


Kinja'd!!! Svend > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen
03/12/2020 at 05:17

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Ye’, Sky News had this a couple of days ago.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italian-doctor-says-fighting-covid-19-outbreak-is-like-war-11954229

Coronavirus: ‘Stop saying it’s a bad flu’ - Doctor fighting Italy outbreak shares dramatic account

A doctor at the heart of the coronavirus outbreak in Italy has spoken of the dramatic fight against the disease, saying it is like relentless war and describing how wards are filling up and doctors are working non-stop to save lives.

In a post shared on Facebook, Dr Daniele Macchini likened the disease to a “tsunami that has swept us all”.

As Italy battles Europe’s worst outbreak, and with the virus spreading fast, doctors are making comparisons to war-time triage medics deciding who lives, who dies and who gets access to the limited number of intensive unit beds.

Dr Macchini spoke candidly of the enormous pressure facing frontline staff in his country - which has reported a total of 463 virus-related deaths and more than 9,000 confirmed cases in just over two weeks.

The message was shared just before the Italian government put the entire country on lockdown . The doctor, from the Humanitas Gavazzeni hospital in Bergamo, northern Italy, works in one of the country’s worst affected areas.

“After thinking for a long time if and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that the silence was not at all responsible,” Dr Macchini said.

He said he understood “the need not to create panic” but felt “the message of the danger of what is happening” was not reaching people.

“The war has literally exploded and the battles are uninterrupted day and night,” he said.

“Let’s stop saying it’s a bad flu,” he said.

“In these two years I have learned that the people of Bergamo do not come to the emergency room for nothing. They behaved properly this time too. They followed all the indications given: a week or ten days at home with a fever without going out and risking contagion, but now they can’t take it anymore.”

“They don’t breathe enough, they need oxygen.”

Dr Macchini’s post, which has been shared more than 29,000 times, is among the most dramatic accounts shared by medical personnel in Italy.

Another doctor from Bergamo, anaesthesiologist Christian Salaroli, told Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera that doctors are now forced to choose who to treat on the basis of the patients’ chances of survival.

“We can’t attempt miracles. It’s the reality,” he said.

The Italian society of anaesthesiology and intensive care published 15 ethical recommendations to consider when deciding on ICU admissions during the virus crisis and the ICU shortage. The criteria include the age of the patient and the probability of survival, and not just “first come first served”.

In his post, Dr Macchini wrote: “One after the other, the departments that had been emptied are filling up at an impressive rate”.

“The display boards with the names of the patients, in different colours depending on the operating unit they belong to, are now all red and instead of the surgical operation there is the diagnosis, which is always the same damned one: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.”

He also stressed the virus does not just affect old people, warning that younger people “end up intubated in intensive care” or “worse in ECMO (a machine for the worst cases, which extracts the blood, re-oxygenates it and returns it to the body, waiting for the organism, hopefully, heal your lungs).

He bitterly scorned people “on social networks who pride themselves on not being afraid and ignoring the rules, complaining because their normal lifestyle habits are ‘temporarily’ in crisis - all the while an epidemiological disaster is taking place”.

“And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopaedists - we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has swept us all”.

“The cases multiply, we arrive at the rate of 15-20 hospitalisations a day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive.

“Suddenly the emergency room is collapsing.”

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Curious why trump would ban all flights from Europe, but the U.K. wasn’t in that ban.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51845817

President Donald Trump has suspended all travel from Europe to the United States for 30 days from Friday.

He said the EU had “failed to take the same precautions” as the US,

However, he said the United Kingdom would be exempt from the new travel ban.